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- Laffer Curve. High taxes incentivise high gov't spending. That, and Fiat. Get us back on the Gold Standard, stop spending so much, and the tax rate can fall to a place that is hopefully somewhat justifiable. Though I think we should be less concerned on how to spend other people's money and more concerned about just how willing we are to put up with being enslaved to the State.
- The premise is certainly faulty; it implies that at least 50% of State funding is lost to fraud and waste. 50% is a level of corruption that would be far too obvious to be swept under the rug. I'd say the utopian and counterproductive nonsense that is funded is the real place to cut waste. That being said, what's wrong with having a protocol and enforcers in place, that tell us just how inefficiently the State spends your money? So long as it's eliminating any significant waste and fraud, it seems well worth the funding at least to keep up the facade that the State cares where they toss their percieved infinite money bag.
- There are too many variables to consider here and I won't go over them. Important to consider is that the amount of potential homicides prevented by the deterrent of a firearm is completely incalculable. But there are several variables that are; for example, Suicides make up more than half of that gun-related death rate, per capita. People who seek lethal means of self-harm (disproportionately men), will choose the most lethal means available to them. So the means don't matter, they'll likely achieve their ends regardless of means. Besides, comparing per-capita deaths via gun is not a useful metric. Let's compare two microcosms in the U.S.. Vermont and Mississippi both have ~50-55% gun ownership. If more guns make everyone less safe, then the conclusion would be that they both have a high gun homicide rate. The exact opposite is true. Vermont's culture and the consequences thereof (along every level of analysis) seem to have resulted in extremely low homicides, let alone gun homicides, which are ~0.6–0.8 per 100k. By contrast, Mississippi's state of existence has resulted in ~18 per 100k gun homicides. Considering that politics and socioeconomics are downstream of culture, the only rational conclusion is that the culture of Mississippi is not conducive towards a stable society, let alone responsible gun ownership. Though to be fair, the state is better off than most less-developed nations in the world. Overall, there seems to be no correlation between safety and gun ownership in either the positive or negative direction, which stands to reason. The remaining question is: when you are surrounded by those with lethal means, what right does the state have in punishing you for matching such lethality to protect yourself? And, more importantly, how is it morally justifiable for the State to have a monopoly on lethal force?
- Again, many factors. Relevant to life expectancy in America is obesity, among other cultural choices and their subsequent consequences, which are tough to correct for. But If you want an accurate example of what universal health care gets you in a mixed economy, look to the NHS in the UK, and Canada's system. The wait times are abysmal, and their pharmaceutical markets produce hardly any of the most essential drugs required by their populace. It's no wonder Canada has been pushing voluntary euthanasia; it's literally more cost-effective than the tax burden it requires to keep a chronically ill or suffering patient alive. This is the reality of healthcare: there are three facets. Universality, Affordability, and Quality. Your political system can only pick two. You can choose Universality, and also Quality, but the tax burden is going to lead to inevitable austerity, and you lose the other two. The balance is tentative, and the only way to keep it is to ditch Universality. What America did was choose Affordability and Quality, and then tried to sneak in Universality. The further that facet is forced, the more the other two wane and wither. The driving force behind this push, and the main factor keeping health costs high, is the utopian sentiment that the moral burden of one's life is the responsibility of the collective, which, in effect, makes one's life, and the triumphs therein, not their own, but that of the collective. What are the consequences? The federal gov't incentivises the States, insurance companies, and hospitals, to weave local networks that monopolize the entire health market. Competition is what drives innovation, which decreases prices. There is no competition in this mixed economy. So the utopians will blame the businessman, pushing the State to bully him into cutting some sort of deal that increases his foothold. Which, in a free market, he would have absolutely no right to. In a free market, if your endeavor fails, it ceases to exist. In a mixed economy, if your endeavor fails, all you have to do is fail less than everybody else, then cut a couple sweetheart deals, nab a couple earmarks, and you can gain a state-incentivised, and often state-funded, monopoly.
- Yes, the establishment clause clearly doesn't state that the nation is Christian, legally speaking, and yes, the moral foundations and system of law in America transcend the Judeo-Christian ethic. But that doesn't mean that a Judeo-Christian ethic wasn't required in order to forge her. The Protestant influence was so heavy that Jefferson, arguably the most Deist of the founding fathers, held overtly Christian meetings in the Capitol and the White House. They were non-denominational, but they were going off of the most common systems of worship that were present, which were largely Protestant, albeit a little tangled and confused. The letter of the law is objectively defined, but the spirit of the law is inherently Protestant. I say this with very little personal bias; I'm an agnostic Mormon (thx Peterson).
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Most of the premises you originally listed had a slight grain of truth to them, and I wanted to explore the nuance contained therein, for at least 3, 4, and 5. I didn't outright agree with most of them, but you seem insistant on attempting to force my perspective into your frame of reference on 'conservative dogma' when the bulk of my response was trying to ascertain the truth or falsehood of each claim. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're trying to explore the issues with dogmatic thinking without necessarily attributing it to me directly.
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Reckless spending doesn't disprove the Laffer Curve, it merely destroys its utility. It doesn't matter if you tax at whatever the theoretical optimal level is, if you spend everything you recieve and more, you blow out the deficit no matter what. It seems we agree on this and the semantics are getting in the way.
the conservative dogma is really a dog whistle
Less buzzwords, please, idk what anyone means anymore with foggy statements like this.
I see what you mean; representatives beholden to their constituents don't cut programs when it would be political suicide to do so. You could interpret it cynically, that everyone is just playing tactical games, deflection & smokescreening, etc. But I don't think it's fair to say that universally, those concerned with fraud and waste aren't genuinely concerned with it. It's more productive to take the activism at face value. Would it be dogmatic to say that I don't want my taxes funding foreign propaganda across the globe via USAID? Sure, we shouldn't overstate the issues, but I reckon the less of that that is allowed, the better. Even if we take the Pathologically Agreeable approach that any problems at the individual level are to be solved by the collective. "Our" money could be better spent here.
I don't necessarily care how much people want the government programs. Far be it from me to tell others how to vote, but I'm not particularly pleased that I was born into a contract that I could never have agreed to, that enslaves me (a % per whatever tax bracket I'm in) towards the end of subsidizing collective irresponsibility for my peers. I don't care how much other people want the fruits of my labor to be spent to achieve their goals, a moral society wouldn't allow for that.
3. Unnecessary deaths are the responsibility of the individuals who caused them. Their moral failures are not mine, nor that of other responsible individuals. If dangerous, irresponsible people decide to demonstrate how little they value life, that is their moral failing and theirs alone. It has nothing to do with the means, and everything to do with the culture(s) that encourage carelessness with those means.
- The question isn't so much how much is being spent in total, the question is whose money is being spent without consent. Medicare is very efficient at siphoning my earnings via the IRS. I don't care if it would cost less overall, because analyzing this on a collective level is morally bankrupt. The system charges the wrong people for the transaction. With anything else that is of value, one is expected to pay for themselves. Yet I am impelled that if I don't enjoy being enslaved to help out strangers, then I'm a bad person. It is not within the legitimate purview of gov't to force me to take up the burden of somebody else's life. I'd prefer to pursue my own rational self-interest, a much simpler goal if not for the utopians determined to rob me blind. I could talk about my financial difficulties but it'd be pathetic to portray myself as a victim.
Your point about binary choices is universal to dogma as a category, not just the conservative flavor, just thought I'd point that out. Either way, mixed economies are miserable, and I'd rather we stop pretending the solution to any given problem is to divide the responsibility thereof 50/50 between the gov't and private business. This creates the incestuous, perverse incentive system we know and love.
making decisions for the good of all
I don't believe in making top-down decisions from the level of analysis of the collective. If you want what's best for everyone, focus on what's best for the individual first, and it'll follow. What's best for the individual is best for everyone. When you try it in reverse, at best, you forget the individual. At worst, you kill him in cold blood.
- Again, I think you're reading dogma into what I said, because it's the lens by which you're viewing this conversation. I didn't say the U.S. is a Christian nation per se, I'm saying that Christianity's influence on the founding of this country is not to be understated, and that many of the values "universally" held here today were discovered via Christian religious processes. I certainly wasn't being disingenuous about that, even if others are. This ethic is woven into every aspect of American life, whether we recognize it or not. No, it's not a theistic or theocratic gov't, I don't think that's what people mean when they say it's a Christian nation.
I'm enjoying this discourse, hopefully not too much.
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Uh, I sure hope not? I suspect that's not what you wish, nor what you meant. Direct democracy is mob rule, which has neither check nor balance in considering the rights of the individual. A direct democracy can vote to enslave or execute you at will, with impunity. A democracy with checks and balances has limited ability to do the same.
I also take issue with the premise that there's anything 'amazing' about social safety nets and welfare programs. If you read Sowell, I suspect you would be disabused of these notions. Don't be so sure he doesn't disapprove of precisely the 'left' you have surmised as praiseworthy.
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If there are systems in place that prevent such votes, it is not a direct democracy. That's not a thought exercise, that's categorical. Switzerland is a federal republic with a parliamentary system. Referendums and initiatives do not a direct democracy make, and thank God for that.
I suspect you're willing to ignore the downside largely due to the high levels of social cohesion in your nation, which is a point of praise, to be sure. America's melting pot does not allow for this on a federal level, we're too large and culturally diverse. It's a tradeoff; less shared values = less trust = more chaos, but chaos breeds many flavors of innovation. Bureaucracies and authority aren't scary when you have plenty of reason to believe that the people running them have the exact same values and goals as you. It's entirely possible that doesn't work in America, because we decided to ditch centralization of power and cultural hegemony, in lieu of maximal trade between tight-knit cultures. It's a big part of the reason I'm for localism as our solution; no one culture gets to rule over another. Bureaucracy as a form of ruling, inherently requires a shared ethic. America's ethic is fragmented, especially now. We're still a young nation.
i see how you guys live
And how is that? Loud? Irreverent? Suicidally self-indulgent? Whatever you've seen of America is merely a sliver; we're at least as culturally diverse and spacious as all of Europe with a fraction of the national history.
But I don't blame you for not wanting to swap. We're certifiably mad over here. Though funnily enough, some of my ancestors decided they'd leave Switzerland for America a century and a half ago. Hey, maybe we're related, lol.
edit: i agree that high fructose corn syrup and artificial sweeteners suck ass. but I don't believe that the State is justified in limiting one's ability to indulge in it, even if it kills them. I'm sorry if that's painfully American...